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Post by colinlinz on Jul 4, 2010 12:42:45 GMT 10
I've attached a report on the results of the survey. There was 100 respondents. I will leave the survey live, but because it is a free account I won't be able to view anymore responses. If it gets a lot more I might consider forking out some money to get them all. The report doesn't draw any conclusions, it just represents the numbers and questions, you can draw your own conclusions. One conclusion I will draw is that the 98 model is the most popular  Thanks to all you guys that took the effort to fill it out. Attachments:
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Post by cjburnsesquire on Jul 7, 2010 18:37:43 GMT 10
I couldn't get a download.
User error on my part?
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Post by colinlinz on Jul 7, 2010 20:05:41 GMT 10
It should go to a forum page, then start to download the pdf automatically. If it doesn't start the download you can click on the "click here" text and it should start.
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ash
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Post by ash on Dec 11, 2011 19:03:14 GMT 10
freaking out a bit about this. I just bought a bike that's done 30,000 and I've got no Idea if it's been replaced or not. No discernible knocking but I really can't afford to have it blow up on me. Can't really afford to have it replaced right now either coz I just spent all my cash on buying it and xmas coming up. Might have to find a way. It seems like a common problem. any Idea how much it cost to have CCT replaced ?
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Post by colinlinz on Dec 11, 2011 20:35:40 GMT 10
They aren't that expensive, maybe about $90 each. They can be changed at home if you are mechanically minded. My bike has triple your k's and they have never been changed. I'm quite comfortable them. Some of the other guys here feel better if they fit manual adjusters. My son's bike did one at about 650000klm. It didn't cause any damage despite him riding the bike to work for a week while we waited for parts (not recomended, but what can you do, sometimes kids know everything).
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Post by ash on Dec 11, 2011 22:14:40 GMT 10
Cool. thanx. that puts my mind at ease. I might just leave it. Just 2nd day jitters I think. Bought it yesterday and was over the moon happy and the bike could do no wrong, then I've been reading this forum and it's CCT issues, front fork issues, I already knew about the low ks per tank. I'm still deeply in love though ;D
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Post by spitfire on Dec 11, 2011 22:45:14 GMT 10
Hi,
Even though you may not have a problem & there are bikes out there like Colins that would not of had them replaced, I felt even though mine wasnt making any noise I decided to replace mine with manual 1s. I will note that I have owned mine since new in 04 & its a cheap alternative to having to spend a few thousand dollars on bent bits
There was a US Ebay seller that sold them as a pair for around $70-$80 I cant find it ATM someone here might be able to post the link
My personal opinion is spend a few dollars now to save the thousands in the future as they are known to go without warning
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Post by boingk on Jan 18, 2012 13:36:05 GMT 10
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Post by I.mac on Oct 31, 2013 18:53:47 GMT 10
Hey guy's, had my storm for a little while now and was wondering how long cct's last. They were replaced before I picked the bike up with self adjusting tensioners and need some idea how long I can expect them to last. Is it wort while replacing them straight up with manual tensioners? I can hear the chain at idle, no slap or rattle just hear it sliding through, is this normal? Thanks in advance for any info.
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Post by kenmoore on Nov 3, 2013 18:26:05 GMT 10
Change to manual, you are playing Russian roulette!
At the very least do the stopper mod you can search it on here.
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Post by andrewm on Dec 22, 2013 19:33:12 GMT 10
Hi Guys
Front CCT failed in kangaroo ground two weeks ago.Rode it straight to mechanic in eltham.no damage done and he put auto tensioners back in.
Are they really that unreliable.
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Post by bowler on Dec 24, 2013 17:40:28 GMT 10
No. They are not unreliable. There are a myriad of factors involved in cct failure , and probably 99.999% of ccts dont fail at all , you only hear of the few that have , people dont post up how good their ccts are.
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1wd
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Post by 1wd on Dec 24, 2013 18:43:25 GMT 10
And if you do mention how good your auto ccts are you can jinx yourself.
That's the other reason you don't hear about them.
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Post by kodie01 on Mar 14, 2014 22:50:24 GMT 10
I tried searching eBay for the kreiger manual cct's but nothing came up. Found a couple on there from the U.S. though. There's a place called Cycles R Us (CRU) that sell them & guarantee them for life. Roughly $115 for a pair with postage.
Is this where I should be looking? Or is there a better place to source them?
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2014 7:12:24 GMT 10
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Post by 2wheelsagain on Mar 15, 2014 8:53:05 GMT 10
I got mine from Mark K yesterday. Shipped to Australia in a week for just on $100 Au
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Post by vtrstormer on Mar 15, 2014 13:03:06 GMT 10
its worth changing....they are a ticking time bomb in my eyes.
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Post by vtrstormer on Mar 15, 2014 13:03:21 GMT 10
its worth changing....they are a ticking time bomb in my eyes.
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Post by vtrstormer on Mar 15, 2014 13:04:16 GMT 10
had to say it twice because I feel that strongly about it. Sorry about that not sure what happened....
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Post by 1wd on Mar 15, 2014 17:11:31 GMT 10
Snap!
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Post by colinlinz on Mar 21, 2014 21:00:29 GMT 10
And if you do mention how good your auto ccts are you can jinx yourself. That's the other reason you don't hear about them. I've been saying mine are great for years now. I've never changed them. I've sold the bike now, but I am doing another one up. I'll keep the stock ones in it too. I have complete confidence in them. That doesn't mean I believe they will never fail, just that if they do, they will give me plenty of warning. The bike I'm doing up now has had one replaced. I know, because I changed it when the old one failed a few years ago. I also know that the owner rode it for a week after I diagnosed his chain rattle as a failed tensioner. |
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Post by 1wd on Mar 22, 2014 6:11:18 GMT 10
Colin, question for you. When I pulled the valve cover off mine to replace, I thought I'd check the chain tension to set the manuals at a comparable rate. But both front and rear chains were tight as with the autos??
But with the manuals I set the tension to the 5 - 7mm put it all back together and now I reccon it runs better, idles nice and all with out retuning, just putting it back the way it came apart.
Please explain (In Pauline Hanson voice)
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Post by colinlinz on Mar 22, 2014 8:26:08 GMT 10
The auto ones just apply a set tension on the chain. The helix acts as a threaded screw and takes the load. The spring just applies the calibrated tension to the screw (helix). When the chain becomes slack, the helix will be wound in by the ever present torque action of the spring. It's the same tensioner as CBR600, and for that matter, Honda's Moto2 race engine uses. When the spring breaks, the tension comes of the helix, but the helix still holds tension on the chain. It can vibrate and screw back, and it will do this over time. At some engine speeds, the harmonics will cause this to happen either faster or slower, but it won't just let go. The chain has to slacken off enough to jump teeth on the sprockets before valve damage will occur.
I can't comment on idle quality. I can only say that I haven't had any running issues with mine.
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Post by binny on Mar 22, 2014 10:18:16 GMT 10
Colin..
Would I be correct in assuming that if one of the tensioners fail and slacken off over time that the other tensioner would compensate to some degree?
And that it's likely that people are riding around for quite a while with a failed tensioner without knowing?
And to add to that when they have a tensioner "let go" and result in engine damage that its actually a second tensioner failing so both are stuffed?
Just wondering out loud......
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Post by colinlinz on Mar 22, 2014 16:34:32 GMT 10
The timing chain and tensioners for each cylinder are separate, so you can get either fail independently from the other. You can replace just the failed one, or both. It just depends on how you feel about shelling out an extra $90 for another tensioner. The spring fails on a sharp bend where one end is anchored. As you can see by the photos, the break is clean with no plastic deformation. If you look closely you can see the striations across the fractured surface. This indicates a fracture from fatigue. Things like manufacture faults or harmonics of engine operation could cause this to happen prematurely. Attachments:
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Post by thermanmerman on Apr 9, 2014 15:18:22 GMT 10
I just put these manual Kriegers in my 2005 VTR1000 after developing a knock in the engine. It had done 53 thou. The front OEM tensioner appears to have been the culprit, on inspection it was notchy (inconsistent tension) compared to the rear one. With the Kriegers in, the engine is running smooth as now, no knocks at all, well worth the effort. |
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Post by kenmoore on Apr 9, 2014 20:00:34 GMT 10
Great news, now ride and enjoy.
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Post by binny on Apr 9, 2014 21:38:17 GMT 10
And if you do mention how good your auto ccts are you can jinx yourself. That's the other reason you don't hear about them. I've been saying mine are great for years now. I've never changed them. I've sold the bike now, but I am doing another one up. I'll keep the stock ones in it too. I have complete confidence in them. That doesn't mean I believe they will never fail, just that if they do, they will give me plenty of warning. The bike I'm doing up now has had one replaced. I know, because I changed it when the old one failed a few years ago. I also know that the owner rode it for a week after I diagnosed his chain rattle as a failed tensioner. What warning do you get Colin? Is it a rattle sound at low revs? Under load or off throttle? |
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Post by macca on Apr 10, 2014 13:23:29 GMT 10
I just put these manual Kriegers in my 2005 VTR1000 after developing a knock in the engine. It had done 53 thou. The front OEM tensioner appears to have been the culprit, on inspection it was notchy (inconsistent tension) compared to the rear one. With the Kriegers in, the engine is running smooth as now, no knocks at all, well worth the effort. Hey mate, was it hard to install them? I've been putting this off for about 2 months because I've never done anything like this before on a motorcycle and am slightly paranoid I'll totally balls it up... |
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Post by thermanmerman on Apr 11, 2014 6:54:07 GMT 10
Hey Macca, I was concerned that I could bugger the job too. But I researched the web on many sites about changing them. I decided to opt with just taking off the rear cam cover method rather than both covers which would have meant a lot more removal of stuff. Just be methodical and follow the directions, take photos while your going to remind you where hoses etc were if you need to. I was quoted over $1000 bucks to do the job (with new chains etc), it cost me around $100, and worked out perfect.
Take your time, be methodical, have your tools and lighting set up, a bike stand helps too. Drink beer after the job.
Good luck.
Greg
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