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Post by Fozzy Bear on May 18, 2012 18:07:00 GMT 10
Rossi made a statement at the same press conference that he will be staying in motogp for at least two more years. But then Stoner said at the last round that he wasn't thinking about retirement Only because all the thinking had been done and he had decided. Maybe a few losses will pique his interest again. Maybe he should swap places with Rossi for a few months....that would be interesting. I think it is a damn shame as he could have gone onto 5,6,7 championships.
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Post by philm on May 18, 2012 18:44:27 GMT 10
I have a real concern now for the future of the Australian Motogp. We all know how parochial and patriotic us aussies are and not having a top rider now to cheer on, it is going to be a bit of a non event. I can hardly see myself travelling all the way from w.a. to P.I to watch a Spaniard or Italian take the Aussie round. What are you others thinking about this?? How do you think it will affect the championship? A damn shame that we will be losing Casey at the end of the year that's for sure,but you have to respect the fellas decision I suppose.Good luck to him in his future endeavours. Phil.
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Post by colinlinz on May 18, 2012 21:09:50 GMT 10
They don't like coming here, as the shipping costs for 1 round are so high. The loss of an Aussie in the race wouldn't be a factor in my attendance, but I have no doubt that it will impact heavily on attendance numbers. It is a pity that we have had such a fragmented and weak racing scene in Australia over the last few years, and that developmental programs have been so under resourced.
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Post by colinlinz on May 19, 2012 16:53:44 GMT 10
He might have decided to retire, but it hasn't slowed him down any.
1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.740s 2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 34.005s 3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 1m 34.136s 4. Alvaro Bautista ESP San Carlo Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 34.437s 5. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 1m 34.467s 6. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 34.585s 7. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 34.610s 8. Hector Barbera ESP Pramac Racing (GP12) 1m 35.079s 9. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Team (GP12) 1m 35.112s 10. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team (GP12) 1m 35.132s 11. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 35.201s 12. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (GP12) 1m 35.787s 13. Randy De Puniet FRA Power Electronics Aspar (ART CRT) 1m 36.438s 14. Yonny Hernandez COL Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 1m 36.928s 15. Mattia Pasini ITA Speed Master (ART CRT) 1m 37.093s 16. Michele Pirro ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini (FTR-Honda CRT) 1m 37.310s 17. Aleix Espargaro ESP Power Electronics Aspar (ART CRT) 1m 37.585s 18. Danilo Petrucci ITA Came IodaRacing (Ioda-Aprilia CRT) 1m 38.255s 19. Ivan Silva ESP Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 1m 38.260s 20. James Ellison GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (ART CRT) 1m 38.395s 21. Chris Vermeulen AUS NGM Forward Racing (Suter-BMW CRT) 1m 39.383s
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Post by Seanus on May 19, 2012 18:02:51 GMT 10
I wonder if there was talk of Rossi replacing Pedrosa? Just speculating.
At only 26 I wonder how long Casey will be a le to stay retired? I just can't see him doing well in the V8s.
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Post by colinlinz on May 19, 2012 21:40:51 GMT 10
Nakamoto was asked if Honda would have him back. He said there wouldn't be a spot for him. Then went on to explain that Rossi made the statement that the rider was the key to winning, and the bike didn't matter. Nakamoto now believes that Rossi needs to back up his words with action.
Doohan believes it might not be goodbye just yet. He believes Honda, and some others will make some pretty compelling offers. In the end, anything can happen. Circumstances can change, and until he finishes and walks away, nothing is set in concrete. Having said that, I know how I felt when I first came to grips with my back injuries and the reality that I would be medically discharged from the forces. I loved the job, but once I had made plans for life outside the forces I just wanted to get on with it. They ended up offering me a non deployable position to keep me, despite all the prior talk of this being impossible. As much as I loved the job, once I had formulated other ideas for my life, all I wanted to do was move on.
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Post by Seanus on May 21, 2012 15:05:41 GMT 10
Found myself rooting for Rossi last night. After his interview on ONE last night Casey Stoner looks like a bit of cry baby to me now. Sure there are lots of problems and he doesn't like the way the sport is heading Blah Blah Blah but this is the sport that pays him millions of dollars. If he said it was to be with family fair enough but to bitch about the FIM was totally stupid.
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Post by bluestorm04 on May 21, 2012 15:06:25 GMT 10
I wonder if there was talk of Rossi replacing Pedrosa? Just speculating. At only 26 I wonder how long Casey will be a le to stay retired? I just can't see him doing well in the V8s. Would be guaranteed he doesnt have to come through the development series, they'll want to fast track him in, whether he's capable or not....not sure throwing him into a v8 and expecting him to run with the big boys is wise. v8 racing is pretty cut throat and the drivers have to work exceptionally hard just to keep their seat, there would be resentment even if its silenced.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 16:29:30 GMT 10
Gardiner went into v8 super cars and they thought he would kill it because they figured he would be one of the few to be able to think logically at 300kph. The sport chewed him up and spat him out quick smart. The best drivers in the world have come here thinking it would be a piece of p!ss and they all got chewed up as well. Stoner will have to change his attitude for a start because no one will be pandering to him and if he rips his nightie they (his team and the other drivers) will just tell him to bugger off.
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Post by Seanus on May 21, 2012 18:08:12 GMT 10
I honestly don't think Stoner has any aspirations of becoming a V8 champion. I've never really seen him suggest that it's the way he wants to go. Unlike Jensen Button who I would love to see driving a V8. Motorcycle riders just don't make good car drivers. Period. I'll be very interested to see how Stoner handles the press now that he's told the world he's given up. If he thought it was tough when he had CFS it's going to be 10 times worse now I reckon. Needless to say I'm really disappointed in his performance off the field.
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Post by spitfire on May 21, 2012 20:18:27 GMT 10
As much as I havnt seen any of Caseys post retirement interviews. Id like to pose a Question to you Seanus How many of us have upon resigning from a job that we havnt liked the direction it was taking, been 1/2 hearted, unenthused & negitive toward the job & looked forward to a new whatever So his behavior might be attributed to the direction of the motor sport & so if you dont like the job youd be negative also If he was trying not to win then id agree yet the conditions last night were poor & I dont think he is a wet weather rider Just my 2c worth anyways
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Post by colinlinz on May 21, 2012 21:05:12 GMT 10
Found myself rooting for Rossi last night. After his interview on ONE last night Casey Stoner looks like a bit of cry baby to me now. Sure there are lots of problems and he doesn't like the way the sport is heading Blah Blah Blah but this is the sport that pays him millions of dollars. If he said it was to be with family fair enough but to bitch about the FIM was totally stupid. I guess we will all see things differently. I can understand him being pissed off, he has copped an absolute flogging from the press over the years (Rossi has echoed Stoners comments and some, yet no one decried him a winger). Ducati handled him with disdain, even after winning a championship for them, they paid him a pittance as compered to Rossi and the offer they made Lorenzo while Stoner was crook. The series is morphing into a sham, Biaggi's superbike is faster than the current motogp crop. All he has done is looked at this and thought, do I really want to keep doing this. It is a measure of him that he is honest enough to put his money where his mouth is and walk away. How many others just roll up every round, knowing they aren't going to do any good, not prepared to put 100% into each race, and sit back and rake in the cash. That said, it was a magic fight between Rossi and Stoner. It was great to see Rossi with a race face on again. They both fought hard for the position repeatedly. There fierceness would have been great in the dry, but in those conditions their passing moves were pure magic.
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Post by paulbassett on May 21, 2012 21:57:13 GMT 10
It was good to see that Rossi still has the fire, it was a good race in shocking conditions, with the duelling between Cruchlow and Dovi as well, but what has happened to Ben Spies?
If you can, catch the WSB races at Donnington Park. I have a friend with foxtel that records them for me, but those 2 races were the best racing I have seen, bar none. Like the old days of fairing bashing, the passing moves were, well sensational. Much more entertaining than motogp IMO.
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Post by spitfire on May 22, 2012 1:56:54 GMT 10
It was good to see that Rossi still has the fire, it was a good race in shocking conditions, with the duelling between Cruchlow and Dovi as well, but what has happened to Ben Spies? If you can, catch the WSB races at Donnington Park. I have a friend with foxtel that records them for me, but those 2 races were the best racing I have seen, bar none. Like the old days of fairing bashing, the passing moves were, well sensational. Much more entertaining than motogp IMO. Maybe Casey will end up in WSB
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Post by Seanus on May 22, 2012 12:08:35 GMT 10
Yes I can understand him being pissed off too. I just don't think he's doing himself any favours by dissing the sport that has made him a millionaire many times over. That's all.
I sill think he's one of the greatest riders ever but his attitude has reduced my respect for him a bit and I know many other people feel the same way. Being in the public eye is always tough and it's just something you have to learn to deal with if you want to be a world champion racer.
Anyway. Won't be his problem at the end of the year. I just hope he doesn't regret his decision to bag the sport that has given him so much.
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Post by colinlinz on May 22, 2012 13:48:00 GMT 10
Yes I can understand him being pissed off too. I just don't think he's doing himself any favours by dissing the sport that has made him a millionaire many times over. That's all. I sill think he's one of the greatest riders ever but his attitude has reduced my respect for him a bit and I know many other people feel the same way. Being in the public eye is always tough and it's just something you have to learn to deal with if you want to be a world champion racer. Anyway. Won't be his problem at the end of the year. I just hope he doesn't regret his decision to bag the sport that has given him so much. True enough. MotoGP is in trouble though, as what he has said is being said right through the paddock. Many of the riders are not happy with the current management of their chosen sport. In this respect, he is not criticizing the sport, but the management of his chosen sport. It is much more than the bikes, it is also the way they are changing the paddock and the lack of action on safety issues. Your right that his decision won’t do him any favours, and will no doubt bring a lot of personal criticism from some sponsors, fans, and Dorna. I would expect he would understand this, and it is one reason I applaud him for having the strength of character to make a stand on his principles. He may have earned a decent pay packet, but nowhere near as much as his talent deserved. Personally, I don’t see he owes them much, as he has risked his life more than most in this sport. No one else was prepared to push the Ducati to level he did over the years, and it is only now that we are understanding the toll that had on him and the effort he put into those results.
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Post by bowler on May 22, 2012 14:29:42 GMT 10
Well said , Colin. Exactly what I think too.
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Post by colinlinz on May 22, 2012 18:07:04 GMT 10
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Post by erno on May 22, 2012 18:45:21 GMT 10
It was good to see that Rossi still has the fire, it was a good race in shocking conditions, with the duelling between Cruchlow and Dovi as well, but what has happened to Ben Spies? If you can, catch the WSB races at Donnington Park. I have a friend with foxtel that records them for me, but those 2 races were the best racing I have seen, bar none. Like the old days of fairing bashing, the passing moves were, well sensational. Much more entertaining than motogp IMO. Was watching the WSBK at Donnington on sunday on free to air Your right about the close racing Especially when Rae bumped into melandri ,who inturned bumped into Haslem,and both Beemers where taken out
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Post by paulbassett on May 22, 2012 20:09:47 GMT 10
It was good to see that Rossi still has the fire, it was a good race in shocking conditions, with the duelling between Cruchlow and Dovi as well, but what has happened to Ben Spies? If you can, catch the WSB races at Donnington Park. I have a friend with foxtel that records them for me, but those 2 races were the best racing I have seen, bar none. Like the old days of fairing bashing, the passing moves were, well sensational. Much more entertaining than motogp IMO. Was watching the WSBK at Donnington on sunday on free to air Your right about the close racing Especially when Rae bumped into melandri ,who inturned bumped into Haslem,and both Beemers where taken out LOL that was f**kin hilarious, in a sick sort of way. They were not happy campers, but Johnny Rae has that Honda working OK, to be in front of Biaggi and the Beemers. They will be gunnin for him next round. Where is WSB on free to air??
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Post by theblueracer on May 22, 2012 21:56:34 GMT 10
It's on SBS on Sunday's as highlights from the previous race.
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Post by shayne on May 23, 2012 14:08:52 GMT 10
Some people will race and race and race, be it for money or just because they can't give it up. Roosi, Biaggi, Checa, come to mind. Stoner is obvioulsy not one of those people.
He can whinge about it and retire, which I think is fair enough. He has had enough, and I understand that. But the current crop of Moto2 riders will all take to a CRT bike like ducks to water, and when the prototypes are gone, CRT is all they will have. Racing will be racing, and the riders will all say they wish they could have ridden a MotoGP bike. Just like Stoner said about the 500's.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Post by colinlinz on May 23, 2012 17:24:59 GMT 10
Some people will race and race and race, be it for money or just because they can't give it up. Roosi, Biaggi, Checa, come to mind. Stoner is obvioulsy not one of those people. He can whinge about it and retire, which I think is fair enough. He has had enough, and I understand that. But the current crop of Moto2 riders will all take to a CRT bike like ducks to water, and when the prototypes are gone, CRT is all they will have. Racing will be racing, and the riders will all say they wish they could have ridden a MotoGP bike. Just like Stoner said about the 500's. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I think you are missing his point Shayne. He loves the racing and riding, he doesn't want that destroyed. The way he sees it is that the current circumstances will kill his love for bikes. You are right about what will happen. The moto2 will adapt OK because the gap wont be as much. The move to moto2 hasn't worked out the way you would think. The bikes don't develop the skills of racing and set up like the old 250's. The riders will wish they could ride a real race bike, and parallel the thoughts of Stoner and others with regard to the old 500's. As much as things won't change, there will be one change that will be significant. That being the WSBK's will be just as fast, if not faster than MotoGP, and we will have a new pinnacle series of motorcycle racing. Riders continue on for all sorts of reasons. I think there is only one rider you mention that rides because he loves it, that being Checa. People like Biaggi and Rossi do it more out of self worth. It is how they define themselves as a person, and where they get their self worth from. That isn't a negative, we all have a self defining image of ourselves. In Stoner's case, apparently his racing life isn't how he defines himself and he obviously believes he has a life outside of racing.
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Post by bluestorm04 on May 24, 2012 8:56:11 GMT 10
You're definitely spot on about Charlie Checa I reckon Colin, do you ever see him unhappy ? He is obviously enjoying his racing, his head is in a good place and he is backing it up with results.
As far as motogp is concerned, its the sort of profession which rewards 100% commitment yet would tear up a ho hum attitude like a cheap t shirt...if Stoner is losing the passion and doesnt like the direction the sport is heading then it seems to a lacky outsider like myself that he wouldnt have the total commitment needed so he's making a decision which works best for him. I suppose its much like football players and cricketers as examples, sometimes you just know when the time is right, and as an elite sportsman leaving on your terms means you have the total respect of your peers and fans. Although time will dictate how long before people start asking Casey who?
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Post by colinlinz on May 24, 2012 9:30:05 GMT 10
Checa is one of the few riders that actually have their own track day bikes, and will do private trackdays as recreation.
It may indeed be a case of Casey Who. People can be forgotten quickly once the PR machines stop doing their thing. I don't think that is something that would worry him. That said, he strikes me as a fairly intelligent guy and he certainly has plenty of drive. I’m absolutely positive he will carve out another high achieving career somewhere and not necessarily in the racing industry.
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Post by shayne on May 25, 2012 8:12:36 GMT 10
I dunno Colin, I reckon "Casey Who" is highly likely. He has done enough PR etc which he hates, to last a lfetime. He may do nothing in the public eye.
Ian Chappel has stated over the years (in regards to cricket obviously) that he belives you have a certain number of years in you as a sportsperson before you have had enough, and when you started is not relevant. He thinks that some cricketers retire early due to the fact that they started so early. So they may be only xxx years old, but have played for 20 years and have had enough. Stoner a been based in Europe since he was 14, and has reached the pinnacle of his sport. Fair enough I reckon.
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Post by colinlinz on May 25, 2012 9:20:20 GMT 10
I don't have any problems with what you said Shayne. Once the PR machine winds down on him people will forget. It happens to the greatest of them, they disappear of into obscurity, only to be dragged back into the limelight when someone finds a reason to use their name for something. I think what confused you was my statement that I'm sure he will end up doing something else at a high level. It most likely won't be marketing though he aint anyones trained monkey! I can quite easily see him doing very well in business, he strikes me as an intelligent young guy and he has plenty of drive. When it comes to elite athlete careers, you can never judge one against another. Stoner's efforts have been extraordinary, especially these days where riders are not chosen on skill, but what dollar value they can bring into the team. I doubt that any of the Spanish, Italian, USA or UK riders have fought as hard to get into teams as Stoner. Even after winning a world title for Ducati they didn't pay him well and were prepared to pay other riders much more. Schumacher was at the last round. He couldn't believe that Stoner decided to retire, but he made the comment that people should just respect his decision, and that he could understand it as he went through the same thing. He just got tired of the racing. He has since made a return to racing, newly invigorated. He believes that Stoner is young enough to do this too, if he ever did want to return.
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Post by smokey on May 25, 2012 21:38:50 GMT 10
Even if Casey stopped today his record has him as one of the best ever, He may have flaws in his personality but his biggest problem I think is that he beat the "GOAT" in fact he made it so people thought hmm, perhaps the "GOAT" isn't the "GOAT", "How can a rider be the GOAT when someone else is clearly faster" This has alienated an entire group of "GOAT" fans (masquerading as MotoGP fans) Perhaps CS's legacy is that people will no longer use the term GOAT.
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Post by colinlinz on May 25, 2012 21:53:43 GMT 10
Yes Chris, there were a few riders that looked like they might have been able to take on Rossi, but in the end he broke them. He could never do that to Stoner and Stoner just kept on taking the fight to him. The race wins statistics over the last 5 years show just how much Stoner took the fight to him, and as we can see now, he did that on a bike that was extremely challenging to ride. Just think what would have happened if he was on a Honda or Yamaha!
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Post by smokey on May 25, 2012 22:12:39 GMT 10
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