alpal
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Post by alpal on Jan 7, 2009 15:24:36 GMT 10
My missus has just got her bike licence again and is now looking for her own bike..I got the busa because she wanted more comfortable bike to pillion on and now she wants her own bike(?) dunnno what I have started, my youngest son also has his own bike which means my garage will soon have five bikes in it! Storm, Busa, CB250R, BMW R100S (still a project) and now maybe a Motoguzzi 750 Nevada (what she wants for some reason). On the positive side she is quite capable on bike whether on the road or dirt.
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Post by gadgetarse on Jan 7, 2009 15:34:08 GMT 10
The best you can do is to use your knowledge to your advantage. You know what can go wrong, that the traffic is not the place for a novice, and that being good on a pushy is about as relevent as being a good skateboarder. So make sure she does some rider training courses. Just getting your licence doesn't teach you many skills. Keep her out of the traffic whilst she is learning the bike. And do your best to get her a bike that is good for a learner. Many of us had to learn as we went along, sometimes making mistakes that had us sliding down the road. She has the advantage of having you to guide her. Best of luck, and happy riding. The good thing in SA is you have to do a 2 day riding course to get your L's. In QLD you just do a written test, and they pat you on the back and send you on your way. So I at least know my girl has a better chance than I did. I still remember the number of times I nearly went off my CBR250 in the first month, just learning the basics (yes, I am one of the non-dirtbike crew who learnt to ride on the road.)
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Post by Fozzy Bear on Jan 7, 2009 15:58:02 GMT 10
My missus has just got her bike licence again and is now looking for her own bike..I got the busa because she wanted more comfortable bike to pillion on and now she wants her own bike(?) dunnno what I have started, my youngest son also has his own bike which means my garage will soon have five bikes in it! Storm, Busa, CB250R, BMW R100S (still a project) and now maybe a Motoguzzi 750 Nevada (what she wants for some reason). On the positive side she is quite capable on bike whether on the road or dirt. Just make sure you don't get stuck paying all the regos lol
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alpal
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Post by alpal on Jan 8, 2009 8:02:48 GMT 10
My missus has just got her bike licence again and is now looking for her own bike..I got the busa because she wanted more comfortable bike to pillion on and now she wants her own bike(?) dunnno what I have started, my youngest son also has his own bike which means my garage will soon have five bikes in it! Storm, Busa, CB250R, BMW R100S (still a project) and now maybe a Motoguzzi 750 Nevada (what she wants for some reason). On the positive side she is quite capable on bike whether on the road or dirt. Just make sure you don't get stuck paying all the regos lol Yeah, well that is a gimme. one good think is e-bike insurance got the storm and busa insured for first time, both on one policy for $500,! western QBE, insuremyride, shannons all more expensive for busa only!
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Post by firemeup on Jan 8, 2009 10:53:40 GMT 10
I made the mistake once of encouraging my girlfriend to ride. I bought a little CB250 for her to practice on. She got her learners and went for rides. She never got hooked like I have. Then she came home once and I found she had crashed on a corner doing about 70, had slid on her belly and stuffed her knee. No one would stop to help her pick the bike up so injured and bleeding she somehow picked it up and rode home. It makes me shudder to think that it could have been much worse and it was me pushing for it. I would never suggest for someone to start riding if they didn't really want to. That includes scooters. Some girls are brilliant riders but the sexist bloke in me only sees the ones that sit bolt upright wobbling around corners and I shudder. I'm much more comfortable when she is on the back with me and I ride like I have a precious package on the back, because I do. No one is indestructible. By the way, in 20 years I've had one off and that was due to a loose headstem bearing that I failed to recognise. Slid on my back for about 20 m with my steel caps grinding the road. Go figure.
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Post by sconvine on Jan 9, 2009 13:12:12 GMT 10
i wrote off an R1, i ran into a hyundai accent.. i went over the top of the car and landed down the road somewhere... the car was also a write off... spent a week and a half in hospital and had a few bits of metal installed in my arm..
I'd like to say that it wasn't my fault but i also had a bit of a god complex, i was lucky i was wearing all the right gear.
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Post by kelpie on Jan 19, 2009 16:59:42 GMT 10
Riding for 25 years (since the age of 10) ... only a handful of offs on dirt bikes in the early years. Nothing I couldn't walk away from. Nothing on the road, but only been riding 5 years. For what it's worth .... despite the history, I wouldn't dream of riding on the road without a full compliment of riding gear. Really don't understand people that ride in shorts, singlet and shoes!! At least when I do fall off, I'll give myself the best chance of survival.
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Post by Fozzy Bear on Jan 20, 2009 16:04:48 GMT 10
I always put it down to them not having experienced bad gravel rash. Once you been there, don't wanna go back in a hurry............
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Pitto
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Post by Pitto on Jan 23, 2009 21:49:42 GMT 10
"CRASHED" is such a negative description, I prefer "getting intimate with the the tar/dirt". Yes I have been intimate numerous times but only twice have I shared fluids with the blacktop (and not a blacktop,I prefer blondes)! 2 times too many I think.
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bowler
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Post by bowler on Jan 24, 2009 19:42:20 GMT 10
I crashed in the National Park. It hurt. I crashed on the Snowy mtns Hway. It hurt. I crashed on the Old Pacific Hway. It hurt. I should not have replied in this post as it does not apply to me. Didnt hurt but.
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Post by krazykol on Jan 28, 2009 16:09:57 GMT 10
I haven't had any accidents on the road in 21 years of riding but have fallen over in car parks rather embarrassingly on a couple of occasions.
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 2, 2009 9:31:44 GMT 10
My wife is doing her learners today Hmmmmmmm. The question now is, do I buy her a bike i think she would want or do I buy her a bike that I would ride ? Was thinking about an sv650s for her, but, for some reason, I keep thinking she should start on 250, like a zz250, vtr 250, bandit 250 etc etc To my fellow stormers, what are good learning bikes on the LAMS, we (VIC) have only had LAMS for 5-6 months here. Do ya think an sv650 would be to much bike for a noobie ? .
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Post by raven on Feb 2, 2009 10:13:24 GMT 10
An SV would probably be great for learning and beyond, but if they are power restricted to meet LAMS specs. you may have trouble de-restricting legally later on, if your wife wants more power. I read recently of this problem (can't remember if it was an SV or a Hyosung 650) and the advice was that there is no legal way to de-restrict these bikes. If you did it and she crashed you could be in the poo. It is a pity because not having to buy and sell a 250 within a year or so is attractive. But then you couldn't go wrong with a baby storm Happy hunting
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 2, 2009 10:50:42 GMT 10
An SV would probably be great for learning and beyond, but if they are power restricted to meet LAMS specs. you may have trouble de-restricting legally later on, if your wife wants more power. I read recently of this problem (can't remember if it was an SV or a Hyosung 650) and the advice was that there is no legal way to de-restrict these bikes. If you did it and she crashed you could be in the poo. It is a pity because not having to buy and sell a 250 within a year or so is attractive. But then you couldn't go wrong with a baby storm Happy hunting I had a quick looks at our LAMS site on the Vic roads web, and I only skimmed read it but i dont remember reading anything about de-restricting the SV or any other bike on the list. I better have another read .
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 2, 2009 11:00:15 GMT 10
oh and for the topic, Ive had a few offs. Mostly in my younger days and all but one on dirt. But that was back in the days when we would have 3-4 of us on an IT 475 blatting through the state forest. the most interesting off I have had, a few of us did a lot of camping riding on the w/e in the state forest, this one night i was on a mates Tenere and he was on my Yz 250 following me, we were hammering through the forest on a run when all of a sudden i was taken out from the side by a roo, this bugger totally took out my front wheel and I swear i was rolling and sliding on the ground way before I knew what had happend. My mate was so pissed that I had thrown his bike down the trak, even though he saw what unhorsed me, slight injuries nothing bad, bike still ridable I was lucky it happened in a clearing nothing to hit but dirt and a few stones
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Post by gadgetarse on Feb 2, 2009 15:27:50 GMT 10
An SV would probably be great for learning and beyond, but if they are power restricted to meet LAMS specs. you may have trouble de-restricting legally later on, if your wife wants more power. I read recently of this problem (can't remember if it was an SV or a Hyosung 650) and the advice was that there is no legal way to de-restrict these bikes. If you did it and she crashed you could be in the poo. It is a pity because not having to buy and sell a 250 within a year or so is attractive. But then you couldn't go wrong with a baby storm Happy hunting I had a quick looks at our LAMS site on the Vic roads web, and I only skimmed read it but i dont remember reading anything about de-restricting the SV or any other bike on the list. I better have another read . The issue is the actual bike you purchase only holds compliance for the 250 LAMS spec, so to de-restrict it would require getting it signed off for the normal SV650 spec, which is the expensive part - aparently, this is what a dealer told me recently. The major issues for girls on L bikes (IMO) is size and weight. The SV650 is 160kg ish, which is ok, but keep her away from the massive GSX650F thing that Susuki is flogging - its about 220kg!
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 2, 2009 21:46:56 GMT 10
I had a quick looks at our LAMS site on the Vic roads web, and I only skimmed read it but i dont remember reading anything about de-restricting the SV or any other bike on the list. I better have another read . The issue is the actual bike you purchase only holds compliance for the 250 LAMS spec, so to de-restrict it would require getting it signed off for the normal SV650 spec, which is the expensive part - aparently, this is what a dealer told me recently. The major issues for girls on L bikes (IMO) is size and weight. The SV650 is 160kg ish, which is ok, but keep her away from the massive GSX650F thing that Susuki is flogging - its about 220kg! I got my wife to ask her instructor whether the sv650 was LAMS approved with out any restriction mods and he said it was and he furthered to say it would be a good choice of bike for her. Im still undecided. Oh and this instructor rides a matt black storm, thinking he might be on here Any Vic's here going to own up to being a riding instructor at Armstrongs riding school ? .
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Post by shayne on Feb 3, 2009 12:20:41 GMT 10
From memory, I think the LAMS approved SV650 is not restricted in order to gain approval, rather it has a different ECU to the normal model. So that may be the issue others have referrred to, as it will not be simple to up the power after the mandatory period has expired.
As for the bike, I think it would be a good choice, as would a GS500. Pretty cheap too.
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Post by bowler on Feb 3, 2009 19:18:53 GMT 10
Sv650 would be a good bike to have first up , better check how she fits on it first though , as thay are a tad tall in the seat. Gs500 or ER6 Kwaka would be ok too. My choice for a learner though would be the VTR250 (or Spada) - light , nimble , enough power and brakes , and she can be an Ozfirestormer too ;D
Graham
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 3, 2009 20:40:04 GMT 10
Sv650 would be a good bike to have first up , better check how she fits on it first though , as thay are a tad tall in the seat. Gs500 or ER6 Kwaka would be ok too. My choice for a learner though would be the VTR250 (or Spada) - light , nimble , enough power and brakes , and she can be an Ozfirestormer too ;D Graham Good points, although, in this case she is 5'10 so definitely tall enough, infact she is longer in the legs than I am, I stand about 30mm taller My mate rides a sv650, hes coming around for a couple of beers tomorrow night after work, so i might throw her on it and see how she goes for fit, the times Ive ridden his bike I have felt like it has a lower seat height than the storm, and she gets on the storm pretty easily. Your right about the baby storm, i am seriously considering it, last time I had my bike in the shop they gave me a baby storm to ride for the day and it was about as much as I have had on a small bike. But geezuz people want the fuking earth and moon for a used VTR 250 dont they. .
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Post by FrillyBoBkinS on Feb 3, 2009 20:42:22 GMT 10
From memory, I think the LAMS approved SV650 is not restricted in order to gain approval, rather it has a different ECU to the normal model. So that may be the issue others have referrred to, as it will not be simple to up the power after the mandatory period has expired. As for the bike, I think it would be a good choice, as would a GS500. Pretty cheap too. Yeah the GS is good on price ill give ya that, looks like a hippo with sticks shoved in its ears though, i guess as long as it doent fight like one thats all that matters, ive never ridden one. .
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Post by gadgetarse on Feb 4, 2009 7:04:29 GMT 10
From memory, I think the LAMS approved SV650 is not restricted in order to gain approval, rather it has a different ECU to the normal model. So that may be the issue others have referrred to, as it will not be simple to up the power after the mandatory period has expired. As for the bike, I think it would be a good choice, as would a GS500. Pretty cheap too. Yeah the GS is good on price ill give ya that, looks like a hippo with sticks shoved in its ears though, i guess as long as it doent fight like one thats all that matters, ive never ridden one. . You can always get the GS500F - looks much better for a few hundred more. www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/bikes/road/sport-sport-touring/2008/gs500f.html
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incy
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Post by incy on Feb 4, 2009 7:23:25 GMT 10
Get her a grown up Storm. If she gets tired of it then you have a track bike. ;D
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shayne
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Post by shayne on Feb 4, 2009 19:28:43 GMT 10
They do look better for sure, but learners + fairing = repairs.
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Post by hefty on Feb 9, 2009 18:03:09 GMT 10
Question: my question is if you get punted from behind and obviously not your fault do i stay here or move to the Crash Club? ;D
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Post by homer56 on Feb 9, 2009 19:26:25 GMT 10
go to the crash now hefty....
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Post by shayne on Feb 10, 2009 17:15:44 GMT 10
go to the crash now hefty.... Go to Crash Club, Go directly to Crash Club, Do not pass Go, Do not collect $200. Bad luck by the way Hefty. My last accident I was hit from behind, and it wasn't good. Only low speed, but I couldn't see it coming, so it was a bit of a shock.
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Post by madadz on Feb 10, 2009 18:30:00 GMT 10
From memory, I think the LAMS approved SV650 is not restricted in order to gain approval, rather it has a different ECU to the normal model. So that may be the issue others have referrred to, as it will not be simple to up the power after the mandatory period has expired. As for the bike, I think it would be a good choice, as would a GS500. Pretty cheap too. You can buy a larger bike, as my mate has. He bought a GSXR650 and has had it detuned, for a cost of $1500 and to reverse the set up is $500. Cheaper than buying two bikes!
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Post by gadgetarse on Feb 10, 2009 21:36:20 GMT 10
From memory, I think the LAMS approved SV650 is not restricted in order to gain approval, rather it has a different ECU to the normal model. So that may be the issue others have referrred to, as it will not be simple to up the power after the mandatory period has expired. As for the bike, I think it would be a good choice, as would a GS500. Pretty cheap too. You can buy a larger bike, as my mate has. He bought a GSXR650 and has had it detuned, for a cost of $1500 and to reverse the set up is $500. Cheaper than buying two bikes! Yeah, but the problem is at the end of the day you just have a GSXR650...
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Post by glen06vtr on Aug 18, 2009 20:49:44 GMT 10
as far as crashing goes, i can only talk from my experience and say that by far the best way i think to learn the fundementals of motorcycling is to go the way of the dirt bike. I raced for many years as a young bloke and had more than my share of near death experiences and injurys (breaks, dislocations, lacerations and even internal bleeding!) but now i'm finally riding again after many years, i feel that the dirt bikes are still bloody orsm to ride, it's given me more respect and definately more skill in riding big road bikes, and being able to adapt and handle different conditions and situations that road riding can give you. She sounds determined, and if it's roadbike or nothing, best bet is start small, plenty of 250's around that'll keep up with big bikes if she's got "no fear" good luck to you both, ride safe.
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